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since we're kind of talking about you

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what do you think that our future selves

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um or why would they have interest in

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hey what's up everybody I'm Emmett I'm

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Joe

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and we're the UFO Bros and we're here

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with Dr Michael Masters and for those of

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you who don't know who he is he is a

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professor of biological anthropology

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specializing in human evolution Anatomy

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archeology and biomedicine welcome Dr

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Michael Masters how are you doing great

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nice to be here thanks for having me on

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right yeah we're really super excited

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and for those of you uh listening and

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watching we're going to talk about time

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travel today and the implications of

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that and uh if there's anybody out there

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that we should be chatting with it's

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it's Dr Masters here so

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for those of you also who are aren't

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unidentified flying objects and it is an

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uh work it's a masterpiece really which

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um um I can barely write a paragraph So

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to me it's a masterpiece I'll tell you

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all right so um I wanted to get into

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um your theory and uh what

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potentially uh pertain to possible Time

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precognizant memory a future memory if

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book time loops and it's it's entirely

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modern human and then this archetypal

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of the future so to speak that it helps

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could be a couple things going on there

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but but case after case you see the same

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thing Travis Walton uh described a study

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where they saw that the trees in and

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around the place where he was taken up

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into the ship after it sent a shock

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through his body all the trees in that

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vicinity grew at like 20 or 30 times

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faster than the trees just outside of

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them and previously yeah

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we're all the same age so you know so

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many things seem to indicate this the

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craft itself that is the actual time

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machine

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since we're kind of talking about you

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know being taken

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um what do you think that our future

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selves would have

294
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um or why would they have interest in

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taking us to study us or do you think

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that maybe in the future there's some

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sort of

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uh genetic problem that they need to

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solve

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D I mean there's no way to know for sure

301
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obviously there's probably very few

302
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people that do if anybody does

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but from from my research

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um it seems to be both I mean obviously

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as an anthropologist whose job it is to

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research and study the hominin past and

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figure out our cultural life ways and

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our physiological form and how those

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change over time if I had access to that

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technology it would make my job

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infinitely easier across the

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anthropological spectrum and all the

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different subfields uh people study

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geology ecology

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the evolution of any life form really

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you would instantly have the ability to

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go back and study them as far back in

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time as your craft could take you I

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don't think they're able to go back to

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the time of dinosaurs or anything like

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that the upper limit is probably 50 60

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70 000 years tops

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but I think they're where did you come

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up with that number if you don't mind me

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asking why why would they not be able to

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go back to say the dinosaur times well I

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think has to do with uh speed to be

328
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honest

329
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what I think happens in in relation to

330
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going back super far in the past you've

331
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probably seen a lot of these videos

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where the Craft's hovering that it takes

333
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off Super yeah

334
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yeah and you know I was on a show called

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the proof is out there on the History

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Channel and they brought me on to talk

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about this and how I think that's an

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aspect of what they're doing because in

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order to at least in the physics we

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understand now and there's probably a

341
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lot more going on uh the fact that

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they're able to manipulate space-time

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sitting completely still as I was just

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talking about certain cases indicates

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there's already something going on with

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the way space time is manipulated in

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proximity to these craft but in in my

348
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primitive view of this what I think is

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happening is that in order to travel

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back into the distant past they need to

351
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reorient light cones sideways so a late

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cone is is when so you turn on a

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flashlight a beam comes out because

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nothing go faster than the speed of

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light that means that everything every

356
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possible outcome moving from past to

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Future has to be within that cone that's

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formed as that light radiates out and

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within that our individual World lines

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as we travel through time and space in

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the seemingly linear fashion

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so in order to physically travel back

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into the past you have to tilt those

364
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late cones over which means that

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physically you're still going forward in

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time but because your world cone has

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been reoriented or tilted on its side

368
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now it allows for you to move into the

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past in a local reference frame you're

370
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going forward and a global reference

371
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frame you're now moving into the global

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past

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however just tilting that light cone

374
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doesn't necessarily project you into the

375
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past I think that's where the speed

376
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comes into it where when you see it take

377
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off at that tremendous speed I think it

378
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takes speed to travel forward in time

379
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using special relativity time dilation

380
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which makes time shrink essentially as

381
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does space so I think they're using that

382
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speed with the light cones reoriented

383
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toward the past to actually move deeper

384
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into that path and so I think there's

385
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probably a speed limit associated with

386
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that as there is with anything because

387
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again of the speed of light you start to

388
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increase your your mass you start to

389
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increase the amount of energy needed to

390
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propel you faster in anything with a

391
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mass bigger than a photon which is

392
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everything so I do think there are

393
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limitations upper limitations dial far

394
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back in time we can go

395
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uh um to someone who's not a scientist I

396
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mean that actually was a great

397
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explanation of kind of

398
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how that could work and and the fact

399
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that they're you know speed being a

400
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limitation

401
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um yeah I think that was a factor you

402
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know I mean it it seems to make sense

403
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and the way you go into the future is by

404
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going fast relative to the speed of

405
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light so in my you know primitive way of

406
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viewing this to go deeper into the past

407
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you go fast well you're you're like

408
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cones are angle toward the past but

409
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um I guess we'll find out if that's

410
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accurate or not at some point if they

411
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are actually us that is

412
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you think that they're responsible for

413
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the cattle mutilations that have been

414
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making national news especially recently

415
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and since you know of course the 70s or

416
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do you think that that's something

417
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completely have there been recent ones

418
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that's

419
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well yeah there was a you know what skin

420
00:15:55,730 --> 00:15:52,860
walker Ranch as an example they've had

421
00:15:57,710 --> 00:15:55,740
several issues with you know cows being

422
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mutilated in a way that didn't make any

423
00:16:03,710 --> 00:16:00,240
sense at all whatsoever there's no

424
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tracks there's no seemingly evidence of

425
00:16:09,170 --> 00:16:06,959
people or other animals uh being near

426
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you know uh

427
00:16:13,970 --> 00:16:11,820
the cow I I'm just curious to know if

428
00:16:16,790 --> 00:16:13,980
that because if we're looking at this

429
00:16:20,509 --> 00:16:16,800
from time travel perspective as opposed

430
00:16:22,370 --> 00:16:20,519
to necessarily space alien perspective I

431
00:16:26,150 --> 00:16:22,380
guess I just want to know what would be

432
00:16:27,949 --> 00:16:26,160
the interest uh in cattle mutilations or

433
00:16:30,170 --> 00:16:27,959
if that might be something that's not

434
00:16:33,410 --> 00:16:30,180
quite you know part of I guess your

435
00:16:36,290 --> 00:16:33,420
theory or involved in it yeah I mean I

436
00:16:38,509 --> 00:16:36,300
think it is and I've the hard part with

437
00:16:40,670 --> 00:16:38,519
all of this like you can see kind of

438
00:16:42,949 --> 00:16:40,680
what they're doing you can look at their

439
00:16:45,710 --> 00:16:42,959
morphology based on these reports and

440
00:16:47,449 --> 00:16:45,720
consistency across reports

441
00:16:50,749 --> 00:16:47,459
um and then you can kind of get a sense

442
00:16:52,490 --> 00:16:50,759
of consistency and behaviors and and

443
00:16:55,129 --> 00:16:52,500
what they're doing but then the why

444
00:16:57,710 --> 00:16:55,139
behind it the intent becomes infinitely

445
00:16:59,449 --> 00:16:57,720
harder to to explain it same thing in

446
00:17:01,730 --> 00:16:59,459
archeology we can see all of the

447
00:17:03,829 --> 00:17:01,740
cultural material remains of past groups

448
00:17:06,590 --> 00:17:03,839
but then figuring out the meaning behind

449
00:17:08,630 --> 00:17:06,600
them the symbolism behind them why they

450
00:17:10,549 --> 00:17:08,640
made that thing becomes a lot harder but

451
00:17:12,789 --> 00:17:10,559
with that said

452
00:17:15,470 --> 00:17:12,799
um it does appear to be

453
00:17:17,809 --> 00:17:15,480
completely related

454
00:17:20,270 --> 00:17:17,819
um anecdotally I've met people who grew

455
00:17:22,549 --> 00:17:20,280
up on ranches they grew up on farms I've

456
00:17:24,470 --> 00:17:22,559
reached out to the agricultural board

457
00:17:27,350 --> 00:17:24,480
here in Montana and talk to them about

458
00:17:30,350 --> 00:17:27,360
it and they're they're they happen in

459
00:17:32,090 --> 00:17:30,360
association with UFOs and lights most of

460
00:17:35,090 --> 00:17:32,100
the time it's at night but people see

461
00:17:37,190 --> 00:17:35,100
the these lights out over their pasture

462
00:17:39,289 --> 00:17:37,200
field and they'll go out the next day

463
00:17:41,510 --> 00:17:39,299
and so a certain number of cows have

464
00:17:42,950 --> 00:17:41,520
have been subjected to this practice and

465
00:17:45,289 --> 00:17:42,960
it's always the same thing the eyes are

466
00:17:47,110 --> 00:17:45,299
removed the anus is removed the blood is

467
00:17:50,150 --> 00:17:47,120
drained without any blood around

468
00:17:52,490 --> 00:17:50,160
oftentimes the tongue is cut out so yeah

469
00:17:55,070 --> 00:17:52,500
you start the mucosal membranes seems to

470
00:17:57,409 --> 00:17:55,080
be what they remove yeah yeah and the

471
00:18:00,350 --> 00:17:57,419
blood I think has some some importance

472
00:18:03,110 --> 00:18:00,360
as well I think it may even be I mean

473
00:18:04,370 --> 00:18:03,120
I'm just speculating here but a lot of

474
00:18:07,250 --> 00:18:04,380
people have been on these large

475
00:18:08,930 --> 00:18:07,260
triangular craft describe the uh the

476
00:18:11,390 --> 00:18:08,940
incubation Chambers or of these

477
00:18:13,130 --> 00:18:11,400
exogenesis Chambers where oftentimes

478
00:18:15,529 --> 00:18:13,140
they're in a pink fluid and and you got

479
00:18:17,870 --> 00:18:15,539
to wonder if maybe the blood helps

480
00:18:19,970 --> 00:18:17,880
nourish that developing fetus I

481
00:18:21,950 --> 00:18:19,980
obviously have no way of knowing but I'm

482
00:18:24,230 --> 00:18:21,960
just trying to think of of why yeah why

483
00:18:26,930 --> 00:18:24,240
those body parts because it's always the

484
00:18:29,390 --> 00:18:26,940
same and and I don't know I mean maybe

485
00:18:32,230 --> 00:18:29,400
there's there's something more to it

486
00:18:36,289 --> 00:18:32,240
um maybe it's it's trying to

487
00:18:38,270 --> 00:18:36,299
test for some environmental aspect

488
00:18:40,010 --> 00:18:38,280
um because obviously that's been a big

489
00:18:43,070 --> 00:18:40,020
focus in a number of these cases

490
00:18:46,430 --> 00:18:43,080
especially since uh we started to fire

491
00:18:48,890 --> 00:18:46,440
off nukes and and you know yeah use

492
00:18:51,409 --> 00:18:48,900
weapons and test weapons so there seems

493
00:18:53,990 --> 00:18:51,419
to be more interaction more focus more

494
00:18:56,630 --> 00:18:54,000
sort of Investigation of ecological

495
00:18:58,130 --> 00:18:56,640
change you could argue another case in

496
00:19:00,529 --> 00:18:58,140
my recent book They're they're coming

497
00:19:02,990 --> 00:19:00,539
and picking up grasshoppers they're

498
00:19:06,070 --> 00:19:03,000
studying grasshoppers in this one region

499
00:19:09,529 --> 00:19:06,080
of South Dakota and southwest Montana

500
00:19:11,270 --> 00:19:09,539
over a long period of time 50 60 years

501
00:19:14,870 --> 00:19:11,280
according to this individual's account

502
00:19:17,150 --> 00:19:14,880
so you know again why why grasshoppers

503
00:19:20,690 --> 00:19:17,160
um it that seems to indicate that it's

504
00:19:21,710 --> 00:19:20,700
some aspect of ecological testing but

505
00:19:23,390 --> 00:19:21,720
um yeah I don't know they're not taking

506
00:19:25,430 --> 00:19:23,400
the meat you know it doesn't seem to be

507
00:19:27,289 --> 00:19:25,440
a consumption thing

508
00:19:29,090 --> 00:19:27,299
um I don't know that's a good question

509
00:19:31,250 --> 00:19:29,100
but I do think they're related just

510
00:19:36,289 --> 00:19:31,260
because people see those craft in

511
00:19:41,390 --> 00:19:38,390
isn't it with them don't they have like

512
00:19:44,210 --> 00:19:41,400
their diet is more like they can thrive

513
00:19:45,590 --> 00:19:44,220
on fruits and vegetables or these like

514
00:19:47,029 --> 00:19:45,600
these little pellets these little

515
00:19:49,090 --> 00:19:47,039
pellets that they put in their mouth

516
00:19:51,710 --> 00:19:49,100
they need dissolve

517
00:19:54,529 --> 00:19:51,720
I mean you know I've seen some some

518
00:19:57,650 --> 00:19:54,539
circumstantial stuff that yeah seems to

519
00:19:59,870 --> 00:19:57,660
relate to a sort of hyper-condensed form

520
00:20:00,590 --> 00:19:59,880
of nutrition

521
00:20:02,570 --> 00:20:00,600
um

522
00:20:04,730 --> 00:20:02,580
but but yeah I don't know like some of

523
00:20:07,370 --> 00:20:04,740
these other accounts where people have

524
00:20:09,350 --> 00:20:07,380
been given a tour of the ship with the

525
00:20:11,330 --> 00:20:09,360
more human looking individuals who I

526
00:20:13,250 --> 00:20:11,340
argue come from a more proximate point

527
00:20:15,049 --> 00:20:13,260
in our future maybe even the next

528
00:20:17,330 --> 00:20:15,059
hundred two hundred years they're

529
00:20:18,770 --> 00:20:17,340
they're showing kitchens so why do you

530
00:20:20,930 --> 00:20:18,780
need a kitchen

531
00:20:22,190 --> 00:20:20,940
if you're just eating little pellets of

532
00:20:24,830 --> 00:20:22,200
food I think that might be something

533
00:20:26,930 --> 00:20:24,840
more associated with are more distant

534
00:20:28,430 --> 00:20:26,940
evolutionary descendants like the grays

535
00:20:30,169 --> 00:20:28,440
for instance

536
00:20:32,029 --> 00:20:30,179
um or maybe you know even get to the

537
00:20:35,210 --> 00:20:32,039
point where some of these these gray

538
00:20:37,190 --> 00:20:35,220
looking individuals or or human AI

539
00:20:39,230 --> 00:20:37,200
hybrids and that's just kind of their

540
00:20:40,909 --> 00:20:39,240
power source or it's like Bender from

541
00:20:43,250 --> 00:20:40,919
Futurama where they just drink fists of

542
00:20:44,330 --> 00:20:43,260
whiskey and that feels something up I

543
00:20:46,549 --> 00:20:44,340
don't know but

544
00:20:49,250 --> 00:20:46,559
um yeah I mean I do wonder why they have

545
00:20:52,070 --> 00:20:49,260
kitchens if if they are eating that

546
00:20:55,669 --> 00:20:52,080
stuff but again you know that could be a

547
00:20:57,409 --> 00:20:55,679
difference in the temporal ancestry when

548
00:21:00,230 --> 00:20:57,419
they're coming back from more than

549
00:21:03,289 --> 00:21:00,240
anything else what comes to mind is the

550
00:21:04,909 --> 00:21:03,299
story of the alien pancakes

551
00:21:07,190 --> 00:21:04,919
um we'll have to put some pictures up

552
00:21:09,830 --> 00:21:07,200
but there was uh have you heard of this

553
00:21:11,870 --> 00:21:09,840
yeah I haven't heard of that one oh you

554
00:21:13,730 --> 00:21:11,880
have it I'll have to unfortunately up

555
00:21:14,930 --> 00:21:13,740
top my head I don't know the name of the

556
00:21:17,450 --> 00:21:14,940
gentleman but

557
00:21:22,310 --> 00:21:17,460
um or I think it was it was a few

558
00:21:25,549 --> 00:21:22,320
decades ago where he uh talks about this

559
00:21:29,210 --> 00:21:25,559
saucer that landed on his farm

560
00:21:31,970 --> 00:21:29,220
and he was able to see inside the craft

561
00:21:35,270 --> 00:21:31,980
and he said he it looked like they were

562
00:21:37,430 --> 00:21:35,280
making small little pancakes

563
00:21:38,930 --> 00:21:37,440
as a matter of fact he claims that they

564
00:21:41,330 --> 00:21:38,940
gave him one

565
00:21:44,630 --> 00:21:41,340
um which by the way is still somewhere

566
00:21:48,470 --> 00:21:44,640
and they had yeah the this actual

567
00:21:51,830 --> 00:21:48,480
physical pancake and it had some testing

568
00:21:54,710 --> 00:21:51,840
and it had some very high nutrient value

569
00:21:57,049 --> 00:21:54,720
very low sodium they talk about how

570
00:22:00,590 --> 00:21:57,059
maybe sodium has you know something to

571
00:22:02,390 --> 00:22:00,600
do or low sodium is how they consume

572
00:22:03,710 --> 00:22:02,400
things I just always thought that that

573
00:22:05,090 --> 00:22:03,720
was super interesting so when you talk

574
00:22:08,690 --> 00:22:05,100
about kitchens the first thing I think

575
00:22:11,029 --> 00:22:08,700
of is the pancake UFO incident yeah um

576
00:22:13,669 --> 00:22:11,039
which is I think

577
00:22:15,169 --> 00:22:13,679
a really great story which could be you

578
00:22:17,870 --> 00:22:15,179
know physical evidence if only I could

579
00:22:19,370 --> 00:22:17,880
get my hands on that pancake yeah yeah I

580
00:22:23,210 --> 00:22:19,380
mean and think about it too in the

581
00:22:25,070 --> 00:22:23,220
context of ease of food you know you you

582
00:22:26,990 --> 00:22:25,080
have a batter made up that's that's

583
00:22:30,049 --> 00:22:27,000
highly nutritious and whatever whatever

584
00:22:32,570 --> 00:22:30,059
it is you need throw it on before you go

585
00:22:33,950 --> 00:22:32,580
out and you know it we have uh I don't

586
00:22:35,990 --> 00:22:33,960
know if you y'all are skiers or

587
00:22:38,390 --> 00:22:36,000
snowboarders but we take pocket bacon

588
00:22:41,330 --> 00:22:38,400
with us you just you cook it up in the

589
00:22:43,310 --> 00:22:41,340
morning fill a baggie full of it and I

590
00:22:44,990 --> 00:22:43,320
love big pocket you eat pop it pocket

591
00:22:47,090 --> 00:22:45,000
bacon all afternoons you don't have to

592
00:22:49,250 --> 00:22:47,100
stop and get food at the lodge or

593
00:22:50,570 --> 00:22:49,260
anything so it seems like pancakes would

594
00:22:52,730 --> 00:22:50,580
be great for that

595
00:22:56,450 --> 00:22:52,740
so I was gonna say that reminds me of

596
00:22:59,090 --> 00:22:56,460
huel and uh Soylent

597
00:23:01,430 --> 00:22:59,100
which are two uh companies that are

598
00:23:04,430 --> 00:23:01,440
producing essentially all the nutrients

599
00:23:05,990 --> 00:23:04,440
and food in just one serving it's like a

600
00:23:08,270 --> 00:23:06,000
drink or a powder that you mix with

601
00:23:09,890 --> 00:23:08,280
water and that's like your food

602
00:23:11,690 --> 00:23:09,900
and a lot of people

603
00:23:13,610 --> 00:23:11,700
and if you're going out get it in

604
00:23:15,710 --> 00:23:13,620
quickly and get it absorbed quickly

605
00:23:17,750 --> 00:23:15,720
right right and if you're going out in

606
00:23:18,890 --> 00:23:17,760
the field and you don't have time you

607
00:23:21,470 --> 00:23:18,900
know you're not going to take a cooler

608
00:23:23,750 --> 00:23:21,480
with you with a couple beers and some

609
00:23:25,730 --> 00:23:23,760
sandwiches and stuff you're gonna take

610
00:23:28,310 --> 00:23:25,740
whatever you can in the most efficient

611
00:23:30,890 --> 00:23:28,320
way possible so yeah if that's in the

612
00:23:33,230 --> 00:23:30,900
form of a little granola bar or a

613
00:23:35,630 --> 00:23:33,240
pancake or a little ball of energy in

614
00:23:36,770 --> 00:23:35,640
whatever form but it seems efficient to

615
00:23:39,169 --> 00:23:36,780
me and

616
00:23:41,390 --> 00:23:39,179
maybe even the way of the future

617
00:23:44,510 --> 00:23:41,400
yeah well we're doing it now so if you

618
00:23:46,130 --> 00:23:44,520
fast forward yeah 100 200 years I'm sure

619
00:23:49,010 --> 00:23:46,140
there's going to be more of that sort of

620
00:23:50,810 --> 00:23:49,020
thing as humans become busier and we

621
00:23:53,690 --> 00:23:50,820
learn more about how food you know

622
00:23:55,610 --> 00:23:53,700
affects our bodies and you know it seems

623
00:23:58,909 --> 00:23:55,620
as though we're already kind of refining

624
00:24:00,830 --> 00:23:58,919
food down into the most easiest way to

625
00:24:02,870 --> 00:24:00,840
absorb with the highest nutritional

626
00:24:04,789 --> 00:24:02,880
value possible so it would make sense

627
00:24:07,190 --> 00:24:04,799
that maybe the aliens do have pancakes

628
00:24:09,590 --> 00:24:07,200
and one of the biggest correlates with

629
00:24:11,210 --> 00:24:09,600
with Cancers is processed food if you

630
00:24:13,669 --> 00:24:11,220
can take out the stuff you don't need

631
00:24:15,289 --> 00:24:13,679
and just make it the simple thing that

632
00:24:18,230 --> 00:24:15,299
gives you what you need within all of

633
00:24:20,029 --> 00:24:18,240
the excess then yeah maybe it's a it's a

634
00:24:22,250 --> 00:24:20,039
healthy it sounds boring as [\h__\h] though

635
00:24:25,010 --> 00:24:22,260
to be honest oh yeah it sure does I mean

636
00:24:28,730 --> 00:24:25,020
I love my Arby's Joe yeah Joe and Arby's

637
00:24:30,110 --> 00:24:28,740
oh nasty like gram pancakes every day

638
00:24:31,549 --> 00:24:30,120
sounds horrible but you know maybe

639
00:24:33,289 --> 00:24:31,559
they're not they get back to the ship

640
00:24:34,610 --> 00:24:33,299
and they have a big thing maybe that's

641
00:24:36,830 --> 00:24:34,620
just functional because they're out

642
00:24:39,770 --> 00:24:36,840
working and just need to pack whatever

643
00:24:42,289 --> 00:24:39,780
is easy and fast but I don't know that

644
00:24:44,690 --> 00:24:42,299
that human Future Sounds like garbage if

645
00:24:46,669 --> 00:24:44,700
that's the only thing we're eating

646
00:24:48,890 --> 00:24:46,679
I guess so I guess maybe part of our

647
00:24:50,930 --> 00:24:48,900
Evolution will be to

648
00:24:52,010 --> 00:24:50,940
get hamburgers out of the way I don't

649
00:24:53,210 --> 00:24:52,020
know

650
00:24:54,409 --> 00:24:53,220
um

651
00:24:56,169 --> 00:24:54,419
so

652
00:25:00,169 --> 00:24:56,179
um speaking of kind of you know

653
00:25:02,270 --> 00:25:00,179
evolution of the human body in your book

654
00:25:03,950 --> 00:25:02,280
you give some really great examples and

655
00:25:05,510 --> 00:25:03,960
we'll show those

656
00:25:08,510 --> 00:25:05,520
um where

657
00:25:10,010 --> 00:25:08,520
uh and you and just off the top of my

658
00:25:12,890 --> 00:25:10,020
head you you talked about you know

659
00:25:16,370 --> 00:25:12,900
breeding dogs and how much they've

660
00:25:20,710 --> 00:25:16,380
changed just in a few hundred years

661
00:25:23,690 --> 00:25:20,720
um of selective breeding and

662
00:25:26,029 --> 00:25:23,700
are you still there

663
00:25:28,130 --> 00:25:26,039
yeah it's lost my earbud my other one

664
00:25:30,110 --> 00:25:28,140
are we talking a jokes he's been

665
00:25:32,510 --> 00:25:30,120
chunking this whole time

666
00:25:33,950 --> 00:25:32,520
what's that it's Joe were you talking to

667
00:25:36,110 --> 00:25:33,960
me or Joe

668
00:25:38,029 --> 00:25:36,120
oh I was talking to you and it looks oh

669
00:25:40,370 --> 00:25:38,039
yeah oh my earbud fell out but I stole

670
00:25:43,909 --> 00:25:40,380
the other one in I could hear you

671
00:25:46,850 --> 00:25:43,919
for some reason it's only giving me

672
00:25:49,669 --> 00:25:46,860
10 minutes left of this recording I

673
00:25:52,870 --> 00:25:49,679
don't know why we might have to stop and

674
00:25:55,789 --> 00:25:52,880
then redo another meeting if

675
00:25:57,950 --> 00:25:55,799
just cut them together and post yeah

676
00:25:58,610 --> 00:25:57,960
that's what I'm gonna do

677
00:26:00,110 --> 00:25:58,620
um

678
00:26:02,450 --> 00:26:00,120
Joe did you have any questions at this

679
00:26:05,029 --> 00:26:02,460
point by the way

680
00:26:06,950 --> 00:26:05,039
you're alien autopsy

681
00:26:08,810 --> 00:26:06,960
now that was

682
00:26:12,289 --> 00:26:08,820
the biggest thing growing up that was

683
00:26:15,049 --> 00:26:12,299
the number one thing that I canceled

684
00:26:17,570 --> 00:26:15,059
everything for to watch on TV

685
00:26:22,010 --> 00:26:17,580
was that real

686
00:26:24,649 --> 00:26:22,020
uh no no it was it was um

687
00:26:28,549 --> 00:26:24,659
in a strict sense you would call it fake

688
00:26:30,350 --> 00:26:28,559
but I um it was a recreation right it

689
00:26:32,450 --> 00:26:30,360
was a recreation that's what I call it

690
00:26:36,169 --> 00:26:32,460
yeah and and there is a lot of evidence

691
00:26:38,390 --> 00:26:36,179
to support that I've I've spoken with a

692
00:26:39,890 --> 00:26:38,400
lot of the people involved in fact I had

693
00:26:43,130 --> 00:26:39,900
a two-hour conversation with the

694
00:26:44,210 --> 00:26:43,140
executive producer of the alien autopsy

695
00:26:47,210 --> 00:26:44,220
video

696
00:26:47,769 --> 00:26:47,220
um just a month or two ago actually and

697
00:26:51,529 --> 00:26:47,779
um

698
00:26:54,289 --> 00:26:51,539
yeah yeah and yeah you know he said the

699
00:26:56,149 --> 00:26:54,299
same thing that that it was definitely

700
00:26:57,649 --> 00:26:56,159
based on something and that that was the

701
00:26:59,690 --> 00:26:57,659
only argument I was making in my book I

702
00:27:01,850 --> 00:26:59,700
got a lot of [\h__\h] from people that

703
00:27:03,710 --> 00:27:01,860
didn't bother to actually read what I

704
00:27:05,330 --> 00:27:03,720
was saying and were like oh you talked

705
00:27:07,370 --> 00:27:05,340
about the alien autopsy it's fake

706
00:27:08,750 --> 00:27:07,380
everything you say is wrong now there's

707
00:27:10,789 --> 00:27:08,760
a lot of those people in the UFO

708
00:27:14,210 --> 00:27:10,799
Community as it turns out but what I was

709
00:27:17,149 --> 00:27:14,220
saying is that based on the details that

710
00:27:19,250 --> 00:27:17,159
went into making that Recreation to me

711
00:27:21,950 --> 00:27:19,260
it seemed clear that it was based on

712
00:27:25,130 --> 00:27:21,960
something otherwise oh yeah you would

713
00:27:27,230 --> 00:27:25,140
wouldn't know to do those things in that

714
00:27:29,450 --> 00:27:27,240
way to make something that's so

715
00:27:30,769 --> 00:27:29,460
consistent with a hominin form and

716
00:27:32,149 --> 00:27:30,779
that's so consistent with these other

717
00:27:34,190 --> 00:27:32,159
alien forms and the other point I was

718
00:27:36,769 --> 00:27:34,200
making is if you're trying to recreate

719
00:27:39,549 --> 00:27:36,779
an alien autopsy why make it look human

720
00:27:41,510 --> 00:27:39,559
at all I mean I have the same physical

721
00:27:44,169 --> 00:27:41,520
characteristics that we have and the

722
00:27:46,669 --> 00:27:44,179
exact same proportion

723
00:27:48,890 --> 00:27:46,679
but it is slightly more evolved State

724
00:27:51,350 --> 00:27:48,900
than what we see today based on

725
00:27:54,049 --> 00:27:51,360
long-term trends in our own evolutionary

726
00:27:56,090 --> 00:27:54,059
Anatomy so yeah I mean if you read

727
00:27:59,090 --> 00:27:56,100
between the lines you can see that it

728
00:28:01,669 --> 00:27:59,100
seemingly was based on something and um

729
00:28:02,870 --> 00:28:01,679
the the footage was just too too messed

730
00:28:03,950 --> 00:28:02,880
up to be able to do anything with but

731
00:28:06,230 --> 00:28:03,960
they had enough that they could see

732
00:28:08,390 --> 00:28:06,240
based on the original autopsy what was

733
00:28:10,010 --> 00:28:08,400
happening and the form of the alien

734
00:28:12,769 --> 00:28:10,020
enough that they could recreate it and

735
00:28:15,310 --> 00:28:12,779
it was the decent Recreation for being

736
00:28:19,370 --> 00:28:15,320
like the early 90s or something

737
00:28:22,210 --> 00:28:19,380
I think it was like 96. I don't know I

738
00:28:24,789 --> 00:28:22,220
think it was 96.

739
00:28:27,230 --> 00:28:24,799
no

740
00:28:28,850 --> 00:28:27,240
I think it was yeah I think it was 96

741
00:28:30,049 --> 00:28:28,860
because I just started undergrad around

742
00:28:31,990 --> 00:28:30,059
that

743
00:28:35,810 --> 00:28:32,000
um but yeah I mean Ray santilly

744
00:28:37,730 --> 00:28:35,820
allegedly had some some found footage of

745
00:28:39,230 --> 00:28:37,740
this that actually took place and then

746
00:28:42,890 --> 00:28:39,240
it was all based on that but yeah the

747
00:28:44,990 --> 00:28:42,900
actual one that that we all saw

748
00:28:47,330 --> 00:28:45,000
um was definitely a recreation

749
00:28:50,210 --> 00:28:47,340
the story behind that I believe is they

750
00:28:52,370 --> 00:28:50,220
actually had some authentic footage that

751
00:28:54,529 --> 00:28:52,380
somehow became damaged in a fire or

752
00:28:56,630 --> 00:28:54,539
something like that and so that they had

753
00:28:59,029 --> 00:28:56,640
to recreate

754
00:29:00,830 --> 00:28:59,039
um what it was that they saw in the

755
00:29:04,070 --> 00:29:00,840
footage I believe that's the story

756
00:29:06,710 --> 00:29:04,080
behind the scentilly footage and why we

757
00:29:09,950 --> 00:29:06,720
have you know the alien autopsy that we

758
00:29:11,810 --> 00:29:09,960
do but um I was just saying the problem

759
00:29:13,789 --> 00:29:11,820
was that they weren't forthright about

760
00:29:15,950 --> 00:29:13,799
that at first and they LED people to

761
00:29:18,590 --> 00:29:15,960
believe that this was the actual

762
00:29:21,350 --> 00:29:18,600
original footage and only later did it

763
00:29:23,330 --> 00:29:21,360
come out that it was a recreation so so

764
00:29:25,070 --> 00:29:23,340
it was a little disingenuous at first it

765
00:29:26,810 --> 00:29:25,080
doesn't mean we should just throw all of

766
00:29:29,389 --> 00:29:26,820
it out with the bath water but we should

767
00:29:33,230 --> 00:29:29,399
definitely recognize that there was some

768
00:29:35,570 --> 00:29:33,240
some Hollywood uh fabrication going on

769
00:29:38,090 --> 00:29:35,580
or misleading people I guess

770
00:29:39,529 --> 00:29:38,100
I think it's a great point that why make

771
00:29:41,870 --> 00:29:39,539
it human looking they could have made it

772
00:29:44,330 --> 00:29:41,880
look like something from you know

773
00:29:47,630 --> 00:29:44,340
Independence Day or aliens they couldn't

774
00:29:49,730 --> 00:29:47,640
make it it's not a scary looking being

775
00:29:52,850 --> 00:29:49,740
it looks just a human it looks quite

776
00:29:55,130 --> 00:29:52,860
literally an evolved human uh which

777
00:29:56,810 --> 00:29:55,140
brings me to the next question which Joe

778
00:29:58,669 --> 00:29:56,820
and I always love to ask this question

779
00:30:00,529 --> 00:29:58,679
Joe do you want to ask him about skinny

780
00:30:03,610 --> 00:30:00,539
Bob so I can cut that in so it sounds

781
00:30:10,010 --> 00:30:03,620
like you're talking

782
00:30:14,029 --> 00:30:10,020
shut up I you're a [\h__\h] I know kids

783
00:30:17,330 --> 00:30:14,039
are in here suddenly sibling rivalry oh

784
00:30:19,909 --> 00:30:17,340
all the time constantly this is

785
00:30:25,029 --> 00:30:19,919
I'm recording

786
00:30:30,230 --> 00:30:27,830
better than his too so I could see why

787
00:30:32,810 --> 00:30:30,240
you're doing most of the dialogue

788
00:30:35,269 --> 00:30:32,820
yeah it's my eyes is the fast I can get

789
00:30:37,070 --> 00:30:35,279
up here okay just don't move your face

790
00:30:38,330 --> 00:30:37,080
too much

791
00:30:40,430 --> 00:30:38,340
just

792
00:30:45,529 --> 00:30:40,440
try to stay still and ask them about

793
00:30:51,590 --> 00:30:48,289
so I'm huge enthusiasts with skinny Bob

794
00:30:53,510 --> 00:30:51,600
skinny Bob's my number one fellow

795
00:30:55,070 --> 00:30:53,520
what do you think about skinny Bob the

796
00:30:56,810 --> 00:30:55,080
way that people are portraying him like

797
00:30:59,330 --> 00:30:56,820
you see on the internet the the picture

798
00:31:01,190 --> 00:30:59,340
the real where it shows the old-time 40s

799
00:31:01,970 --> 00:31:01,200
real and shows them doing a pan down on

800
00:31:03,289 --> 00:31:01,980
them

801
00:31:05,810 --> 00:31:03,299
do you believe

802
00:31:08,389 --> 00:31:05,820
that what a gray would look like from

803
00:31:09,830 --> 00:31:08,399
the future or would that be something

804
00:31:13,510 --> 00:31:09,840
that was probably

805
00:31:18,649 --> 00:31:16,669
yeah I have I've watched that video a

806
00:31:22,130 --> 00:31:18,659
lot because I've I've wondered the same

807
00:31:25,130 --> 00:31:22,140
thing and and you know it's hard because

808
00:31:28,010 --> 00:31:25,140
it is so easy to make stuff these days

809
00:31:29,630 --> 00:31:28,020
but but that also is kind of bold too I

810
00:31:33,289 --> 00:31:29,640
don't know when it first came out but it

811
00:31:37,370 --> 00:31:33,299
isn't 2008 2008 all right so we had some

812
00:31:38,930 --> 00:31:37,380
CGI capabilities back then but to me

813
00:31:41,630 --> 00:31:38,940
you know it's kind of the same thing as

814
00:31:44,210 --> 00:31:41,640
the alien autopsy everything about the

815
00:31:46,250 --> 00:31:44,220
morphology of this individual not only

816
00:31:48,350 --> 00:31:46,260
matches what we would expect to see in

817
00:31:50,029 --> 00:31:48,360
our more distant human future now we're

818
00:31:52,310 --> 00:31:50,039
talking about probably tens of thousands

819
00:31:55,010 --> 00:31:52,320
of years to actually achieve that level

820
00:31:57,529 --> 00:31:55,020
of cranial globularity and mid and lower

821
00:32:00,950 --> 00:31:57,539
facial retraction and

822
00:32:04,190 --> 00:32:00,960
um the ears seemingly atrophy over time

823
00:32:06,649 --> 00:32:04,200
but then the the post-cranial morphology

824
00:32:10,250 --> 00:32:06,659
the body as they pan down is also very

825
00:32:12,769 --> 00:32:10,260
consistent and seems to display what's

826
00:32:14,330 --> 00:32:12,779
known as padomorphosis where they retain

827
00:32:17,090 --> 00:32:14,340
these juveniles traits and that's

828
00:32:18,590 --> 00:32:17,100
described so often in these these Close

829
00:32:20,389 --> 00:32:18,600
Encounters where they're they're talking

830
00:32:23,169 --> 00:32:20,399
about little kids out there a little

831
00:32:26,210 --> 00:32:23,179
diminutive humans right that exhibit

832
00:32:28,909 --> 00:32:26,220
juveniles traits uh characteristic of

833
00:32:30,529 --> 00:32:28,919
adolescence and and that's a trend a

834
00:32:32,510 --> 00:32:30,539
very dominant Trend in hominin evolution

835
00:32:33,350 --> 00:32:32,520
and and you know when I talked about the

836
00:32:36,950 --> 00:32:33,360
dogs

837
00:32:38,930 --> 00:32:36,960
in my first book we see that with the

838
00:32:40,789 --> 00:32:38,940
the little pedo pups that that we make

839
00:32:43,130 --> 00:32:40,799
we make these little dogs that are meant

840
00:32:45,529 --> 00:32:43,140
to stay puppies they still grow up they

841
00:32:48,289 --> 00:32:45,539
have an ontological trajectory but in

842
00:32:50,750 --> 00:32:48,299
adulthood they retain a juveniles traits

843
00:32:52,370 --> 00:32:50,760
of of what we make them keep you know we

844
00:32:55,190 --> 00:32:52,380
do this on purpose and then they have a

845
00:32:57,049 --> 00:32:55,200
big round head little tiny face you know

846
00:32:59,090 --> 00:32:57,059
you compare that to a Doberman Pinscher

847
00:33:02,690 --> 00:32:59,100
or a collie where it has a big long face

848
00:33:04,490 --> 00:33:02,700
and a little tiny sloping forehead so so

849
00:33:06,289 --> 00:33:04,500
yeah I mean the physical traits are

850
00:33:08,570 --> 00:33:06,299
consistent the post-cranial

851
00:33:10,010 --> 00:33:08,580
characteristics are consistent from my

852
00:33:12,830 --> 00:33:10,020
understanding there's some sort of

853
00:33:15,110 --> 00:33:12,840
telepathic communication going on which

854
00:33:17,509 --> 00:33:15,120
is also consistent so I'm going to ask

855
00:33:20,210 --> 00:33:17,519
you do you think that that would be why

856
00:33:21,110 --> 00:33:20,220
as an example the Grays

857
00:33:23,870 --> 00:33:21,120
um

858
00:33:26,110 --> 00:33:23,880
are described without ears or just

859
00:33:28,909 --> 00:33:26,120
little tiny ear holes is that because

860
00:33:30,590 --> 00:33:28,919
potentially as we move forward telepathy

861
00:33:32,029 --> 00:33:30,600
and how we figure you know however that

862
00:33:34,430 --> 00:33:32,039
works like because before we were

863
00:33:36,350 --> 00:33:34,440
talking about precognition I don't know

864
00:33:40,009 --> 00:33:36,360
if that lies in the same path as

865
00:33:44,149 --> 00:33:40,019
telepathy or not but would that be why a

866
00:33:49,610 --> 00:33:47,210
um I don't think so per se and in my

867
00:33:52,009 --> 00:33:49,620
first book I argued that we may have to

868
00:33:54,710 --> 00:33:52,019
evolve that form of communication simply

869
00:33:56,210 --> 00:33:54,720
because as our mid and lower face faces

870
00:33:57,950 --> 00:33:56,220
retract

871
00:34:00,470 --> 00:33:57,960
um what happened is that we flared out

872
00:34:02,750 --> 00:34:00,480
our our descending ramus of our

873
00:34:04,730 --> 00:34:02,760
mandibles so our Jaws got wider we have

874
00:34:06,649 --> 00:34:04,740
a v-shaped dental arcade compared to

875
00:34:08,570 --> 00:34:06,659
chimpanzees and gorillas that have a

876
00:34:10,250 --> 00:34:08,580
u-shape because they have enough space

877
00:34:12,589 --> 00:34:10,260
for everything in there their faces

878
00:34:14,389 --> 00:34:12,599
project outward as our face has shrunk

879
00:34:16,609 --> 00:34:14,399
back we still have to breathe we still

880
00:34:19,129 --> 00:34:16,619
have to chew food and speak which is

881
00:34:21,950 --> 00:34:19,139
very important but even that might be

882
00:34:24,050 --> 00:34:21,960
imposed upon by our retracting facial

883
00:34:26,510 --> 00:34:24,060
Anatomy if the brain does continue to

884
00:34:28,730 --> 00:34:26,520
move anteriorly and expand media

885
00:34:30,649 --> 00:34:28,740
laterally so yeah I thought that was

886
00:34:32,810 --> 00:34:30,659
maybe an aspect of it but I'm kind of

887
00:34:35,389 --> 00:34:32,820
walking that back these days I think it

888
00:34:37,550 --> 00:34:35,399
could be a factor maybe they go hand in

889
00:34:39,710 --> 00:34:37,560
hand but I don't think one necessarily

890
00:34:42,169 --> 00:34:39,720
causes the other what I've come around

891
00:34:44,629 --> 00:34:42,179
to more recently is that it's an aspect

892
00:34:46,609 --> 00:34:44,639
of our evolving conscious business that

893
00:34:48,109 --> 00:34:46,619
it's a way of energetically connecting

894
00:34:49,790 --> 00:34:48,119
with other individuals and I think it's

895
00:34:52,250 --> 00:34:49,800
going to happen long before we get to

896
00:34:54,230 --> 00:34:52,260
the point that we even become these

897
00:34:56,270 --> 00:34:54,240
these quintessential gray aliens I think

898
00:34:58,130 --> 00:34:56,280
it's really just an aspect of the

899
00:34:59,930 --> 00:34:58,140
development of mind and the expansion of

900
00:35:02,210 --> 00:34:59,940
consciousness because it's really just a

901
00:35:04,790 --> 00:35:02,220
connection of this thing that exists

902
00:35:06,829 --> 00:35:04,800
almost as as a sender and receiver and

903
00:35:08,750 --> 00:35:06,839
antenna of sorts

904
00:35:11,030 --> 00:35:08,760
um but yeah I was just saying that that

905
00:35:12,890 --> 00:35:11,040
I do think you know I looked at

906
00:35:14,630 --> 00:35:12,900
initially with telepathy in my first

907
00:35:16,849 --> 00:35:14,640
book the question of whether it's brain

908
00:35:19,550 --> 00:35:16,859
to brain interaction there's some sort

909
00:35:21,829 --> 00:35:19,560
of third-party technological medium

910
00:35:23,810 --> 00:35:21,839
because we can already do that with you

911
00:35:25,430 --> 00:35:23,820
know rats and things like that like

912
00:35:26,710 --> 00:35:25,440
moral link is supposed to be able to do

913
00:35:29,150 --> 00:35:26,720
that yeah

914
00:35:31,609 --> 00:35:29,160
exactly but I don't think that's even

915
00:35:33,349 --> 00:35:31,619
going to be required honestly and and

916
00:35:36,230 --> 00:35:33,359
this is sort of the conclusion I came to

917
00:35:38,930 --> 00:35:36,240
in that section of of the book is that

918
00:35:41,150 --> 00:35:38,940
that they seem to be able to communicate

919
00:35:43,730 --> 00:35:41,160
in this way with people that don't have

920
00:35:45,770 --> 00:35:43,740
anything implanted in their minds and

921
00:35:47,930 --> 00:35:45,780
and that among other things seems to

922
00:35:50,569 --> 00:35:47,940
indicate that it's just an aspect of our

923
00:35:52,430 --> 00:35:50,579
Consciousness and that we can link our

924
00:35:54,109 --> 00:35:52,440
Consciousness in this ways and sometimes

925
00:35:55,970 --> 00:35:54,119
with multiple people at the same time

926
00:35:58,310 --> 00:35:55,980
it's not just one individual talking to

927
00:35:59,569 --> 00:35:58,320
another it's more of a hive mind thing

928
00:36:02,630 --> 00:35:59,579
that's happening where you can have

929
00:36:05,030 --> 00:36:02,640
multiple people in your mind at the same

930
00:36:07,190 --> 00:36:05,040
time and sort of the shared space and

931
00:36:09,470 --> 00:36:07,200
it's not just words it's it's that whole

932
00:36:12,170 --> 00:36:09,480
ideas it's Concepts it's little packets

933
00:36:14,990 --> 00:36:12,180
of of information that move freely

934
00:36:18,230 --> 00:36:15,000
sending and receiving among people who

935
00:36:21,109 --> 00:36:18,240
don't have any sort of of third-party

936
00:36:22,970 --> 00:36:21,119
device a mechanical device so I think

937
00:36:25,370 --> 00:36:22,980
it's an aspect of evolving Consciousness

938
00:36:28,010 --> 00:36:25,380
and I think a part of that is also an

939
00:36:30,589 --> 00:36:28,020
evolution of empathy and an

940
00:36:33,530 --> 00:36:30,599
understanding of of others and sort of

941
00:36:35,390 --> 00:36:33,540
this energetic connection they have

942
00:36:37,310 --> 00:36:35,400
um with other beings and and I feel like

943
00:36:39,290 --> 00:36:37,320
we're all kind of moving toward that

944
00:36:41,510 --> 00:36:39,300
very slowly and if you just look back in

945
00:36:44,450 --> 00:36:41,520
history it wasn't that long that you had

946
00:36:46,970 --> 00:36:44,460
people buying and selling and enslaving

947
00:36:48,470 --> 00:36:46,980
other human beings and and forcing them

948
00:36:50,690 --> 00:36:48,480
to live apart from each other and we

949
00:36:52,790 --> 00:36:50,700
look back on that with disgust at least

950
00:36:55,370 --> 00:36:52,800
the majority of us do and rightly should

951
00:36:57,109 --> 00:36:55,380
but it really wasn't that long ago and I

952
00:37:00,109 --> 00:36:57,119
think it's an indication of sort of

953
00:37:02,150 --> 00:37:00,119
where we're going and the concept of of

954
00:37:05,210 --> 00:37:02,160
not just empathy but the shared

955
00:37:07,370 --> 00:37:05,220
Consciousness if you stop seeing ego if

956
00:37:09,290 --> 00:37:07,380
you destroy ego altogether and start

957
00:37:11,329 --> 00:37:09,300
seeing yourself as one Collective whole

958
00:37:13,910 --> 00:37:11,339
and I think that's an aspect of their

959
00:37:16,790 --> 00:37:13,920
form of communication too then then

960
00:37:19,010 --> 00:37:16,800
those those arbitrarily contrived

961
00:37:20,990 --> 00:37:19,020
boundaries that we use to construct the

962
00:37:22,370 --> 00:37:21,000
other also disappear and I think that's

963
00:37:24,829 --> 00:37:22,380
kind of where we're going and they seem

964
00:37:26,569 --> 00:37:24,839
to exhibit characteristics indicative of

965
00:37:34,370 --> 00:37:26,579
that

966
00:37:35,030 --> 00:37:34,380
I wanted to move on to

967
00:37:37,310 --> 00:37:35,040
um

968
00:37:41,450 --> 00:37:37,320
what you think

969
00:37:44,690 --> 00:37:41,460
um in terms of if is there any cases or

970
00:37:47,569 --> 00:37:44,700
or stories or anything that

971
00:37:49,430 --> 00:37:47,579
is an iota of proof

972
00:37:52,370 --> 00:37:49,440
um in any sort of way or are we just

973
00:37:54,410 --> 00:37:52,380
looking at like anecdotal evidence uh

974
00:37:57,290 --> 00:37:54,420
you know I mean you're you're the case

975
00:37:59,690 --> 00:37:57,300
you're making is absolutely clear to me

976
00:38:01,550 --> 00:37:59,700
and convincing enough to really consider

977
00:38:03,650 --> 00:38:01,560
the fact that maybe we are visiting

978
00:38:05,630 --> 00:38:03,660
ourselves but have you heard of anything

979
00:38:07,550 --> 00:38:05,640
in particular

980
00:38:09,410 --> 00:38:07,560
um regarding what's going on maybe in a

981
00:38:11,630 --> 00:38:09,420
lab somewhere or any sort of new

982
00:38:13,970 --> 00:38:11,640
understanding of physics that you could

983
00:38:15,890 --> 00:38:13,980
share with the audience

984
00:38:18,170 --> 00:38:15,900
um well in the context of proof that's

985
00:38:21,530 --> 00:38:18,180
an easy answer no because we don't ever

986
00:38:24,530 --> 00:38:21,540
prove anything all we can do is develop

987
00:38:26,810 --> 00:38:24,540
working models that that seem to have

988
00:38:29,750 --> 00:38:26,820
the most support the most evidence

989
00:38:32,510 --> 00:38:29,760
that's also problematic in the UFO realm

990
00:38:34,910 --> 00:38:32,520
because evidence is more or less

991
00:38:36,770 --> 00:38:34,920
non-existent like you mentioned we have

992
00:38:39,290 --> 00:38:36,780
anecdotal accounts and if we look at

993
00:38:41,690 --> 00:38:39,300
enough of those you can tease things out

994
00:38:44,270 --> 00:38:41,700
of them but it's still not you know

995
00:38:46,490 --> 00:38:44,280
testing and strict quantitative terms

996
00:38:49,430 --> 00:38:46,500
and and we don't necessarily need that I

997
00:38:51,530 --> 00:38:49,440
I feel fortunate that I was raised in

998
00:38:53,270 --> 00:38:51,540
the anthropological field because we we

999
00:38:56,990 --> 00:38:53,280
don't use that for the most part we

1000
00:39:00,050 --> 00:38:57,000
can't experiments on other humans so we

1001
00:39:01,849 --> 00:39:00,060
we still develop hypotheses and we still

1002
00:39:03,470 --> 00:39:01,859
test those hypotheses just like any

1003
00:39:05,450 --> 00:39:03,480
other field and it's not just

1004
00:39:07,370 --> 00:39:05,460
qualitative we do quantitative research

1005
00:39:09,050 --> 00:39:07,380
too not that there's anything wrong with

1006
00:39:11,569 --> 00:39:09,060
qualitative research you can learn a lot

1007
00:39:13,970 --> 00:39:11,579
that way as well but in the context of

1008
00:39:16,130 --> 00:39:13,980
of collecting data we call it

1009
00:39:18,050 --> 00:39:16,140
observational research and I think

1010
00:39:19,430 --> 00:39:18,060
that's what we're forced to do with this

1011
00:39:22,609 --> 00:39:19,440
because you're not going to have a lab

1012
00:39:25,370 --> 00:39:22,619
setting where you can experiment in the

1013
00:39:27,650 --> 00:39:25,380
same way that you can with regard to

1014
00:39:29,089 --> 00:39:27,660
you know certain physical forces or any

1015
00:39:31,310 --> 00:39:29,099
question that exists in our physical

1016
00:39:33,770 --> 00:39:31,320
reality in this time and in this place

1017
00:39:36,410 --> 00:39:33,780
so for my my last book the extra

1018
00:39:38,569 --> 00:39:36,420
tempestra model I used what's known as

1019
00:39:40,849 --> 00:39:38,579
an abductive approach where you look at

1020
00:39:43,190 --> 00:39:40,859
as much as you can gather all the

1021
00:39:45,290 --> 00:39:43,200
information together and I looked at

1022
00:39:47,990 --> 00:39:45,300
case studies across five different

1023
00:39:49,849 --> 00:39:48,000
continents over a 90-year period and

1024
00:39:52,190 --> 00:39:49,859
just try to find patterns among those

1025
00:39:54,050 --> 00:39:52,200
and develop what's called inference to

1026
00:39:56,390 --> 00:39:54,060
the best explanation which is what an

1027
00:39:59,210 --> 00:39:56,400
abductive approach is and in doing so

1028
00:40:02,990 --> 00:39:59,220
you you can start to make some some

1029
00:40:04,730 --> 00:40:03,000
informed guesses about who they are what

1030
00:40:06,349 --> 00:40:04,740
or where they're coming from why they're

1031
00:40:08,390 --> 00:40:06,359
doing the things they do based on

1032
00:40:11,150 --> 00:40:08,400
patterns across these eyewitness

1033
00:40:13,490 --> 00:40:11,160
accounts of their behavior but but yeah

1034
00:40:15,010 --> 00:40:13,500
as far as like a Smoking Gun

1035
00:40:18,230 --> 00:40:15,020
strict

1036
00:40:19,550 --> 00:40:18,240
identifiable undeniable evidence it's

1037
00:40:22,310 --> 00:40:19,560
going to be a long time before that

1038
00:40:24,950 --> 00:40:22,320
exists and probably won't exist until

1039
00:40:28,130 --> 00:40:24,960
they they show up and say who they are

1040
00:40:32,890 --> 00:40:30,710
so like the the vehicles that are

1041
00:40:35,630 --> 00:40:32,900
witnessed um like we talked about

1042
00:40:39,829 --> 00:40:35,640
zipping away

1043
00:40:40,970 --> 00:40:39,839
being able to you know navigate see and

1044
00:40:44,510 --> 00:40:40,980
Air

1045
00:40:48,950 --> 00:40:44,520
if it

1046
00:40:50,930 --> 00:40:48,960
is us now which I question

1047
00:40:52,490 --> 00:40:50,940
have we

1048
00:40:55,670 --> 00:40:52,500
had any

1049
00:40:58,550 --> 00:40:55,680
you know significant advances in physics

1050
00:40:58,790 --> 00:40:58,560
and technology that

1051
00:40:59,810 --> 00:40:58,800
[Music]

1052
00:41:02,030 --> 00:40:59,820
um

1053
00:41:05,630 --> 00:41:02,040
is being utilized right now but probably

1054
00:41:08,210 --> 00:41:05,640
under lock and key or are we looking at

1055
00:41:10,609 --> 00:41:08,220
the technology hundreds and hundreds of

1056
00:41:13,670 --> 00:41:10,619
years out which is you know why we have

1057
00:41:16,370 --> 00:41:13,680
this idea of you know future time

1058
00:41:18,230 --> 00:41:16,380
travelers because if we're doing it now

1059
00:41:20,210 --> 00:41:18,240
wouldn't that necessarily mean that we

1060
00:41:23,390 --> 00:41:20,220
could time travel now

1061
00:41:25,970 --> 00:41:23,400
if that's what's being seen in the skies

1062
00:41:28,370 --> 00:41:25,980
is our own advanced technology

1063
00:41:29,810 --> 00:41:28,380
what are your kind of thoughts on you

1064
00:41:31,730 --> 00:41:29,820
know where we might be now

1065
00:41:33,589 --> 00:41:31,740
technologically

1066
00:41:37,609 --> 00:41:33,599
and if that accounts to what we're

1067
00:41:41,270 --> 00:41:37,619
seeing in the skies and under the sea

1068
00:41:44,510 --> 00:41:41,280
well yes and no I think

1069
00:41:47,510 --> 00:41:44,520
um in the context of our own evolution

1070
00:41:50,870 --> 00:41:47,520
of technology I don't think what we're

1071
00:41:53,290 --> 00:41:50,880
seeing now or throughout the recent

1072
00:41:57,230 --> 00:41:53,300
historic or prehistoric past is anything

1073
00:41:59,270 --> 00:41:57,240
developed now per se

1074
00:42:02,450 --> 00:41:59,280
um it's just been happening too long

1075
00:42:05,569 --> 00:42:02,460
with the same types of craft but but as

1076
00:42:06,890 --> 00:42:05,579
far as can it be happening now with us

1077
00:42:09,290 --> 00:42:06,900
involved

1078
00:42:11,390 --> 00:42:09,300
coming from the future absolutely well

1079
00:42:14,089 --> 00:42:11,400
once that time machine exists you have

1080
00:42:15,950 --> 00:42:14,099
time travel as far back as that time

1081
00:42:18,230 --> 00:42:15,960
machine can go

1082
00:42:22,550 --> 00:42:18,240
and you can have future events dictating

1083
00:42:25,250 --> 00:42:22,560
past events you can have a future cause

1084
00:42:27,230 --> 00:42:25,260
and a past effects simply because time

1085
00:42:29,690 --> 00:42:27,240
and space don't work in a linear fashion

1086
00:42:32,510 --> 00:42:29,700
any longer in the block universe or in

1087
00:42:34,370 --> 00:42:32,520
the presence of a time machine so so

1088
00:42:38,589 --> 00:42:34,380
yeah this the things we're seeing now

1089
00:42:41,690 --> 00:42:38,599
that are taking place I think are

1090
00:42:43,430 --> 00:42:41,700
originally from the future but at what

1091
00:42:45,530 --> 00:42:43,440
point they started integrating with us

1092
00:42:47,870 --> 00:42:45,540
or will integrate with us to the extent

1093
00:42:49,849 --> 00:42:47,880
that people from our time period are

1094
00:42:52,310 --> 00:42:49,859
also using these craft in similar ways

1095
00:42:54,290 --> 00:42:52,320
for similar purposes that could be

1096
00:42:57,950 --> 00:42:54,300
around the corner or already happening

1097
00:42:59,210 --> 00:42:57,960
like you said behind closed doors so

1098
00:43:01,910 --> 00:42:59,220
um there's a number of cases that

1099
00:43:04,370 --> 00:43:01,920
suggest that that is what's going on

1100
00:43:06,230 --> 00:43:04,380
um that people abduct these describe

1101
00:43:09,349 --> 00:43:06,240
being taken to a moon base on the dark

1102
00:43:12,650 --> 00:43:09,359
side of the moon or in Caverns sort of

1103
00:43:15,589 --> 00:43:12,660
Bunker like places in uh in caves

1104
00:43:17,809 --> 00:43:15,599
elaborate ones not just a you know nasty

1105
00:43:21,050 --> 00:43:17,819
cave with mildew all over the place but

1106
00:43:23,270 --> 00:43:21,060
very nice well-established bases that

1107
00:43:26,150 --> 00:43:23,280
exist underground or in a mountain

1108
00:43:27,890 --> 00:43:26,160
somewhere so you know what and I think

1109
00:43:30,230 --> 00:43:27,900
it helps explain the the crypto

1110
00:43:32,390 --> 00:43:30,240
terrestrial ultra-terrestrial thing too

1111
00:43:33,670 --> 00:43:32,400
where you can have people from the

1112
00:43:35,750 --> 00:43:33,680
future

1113
00:43:37,430 --> 00:43:35,760
hybridizing it's like the main thing

1114
00:43:38,870 --> 00:43:37,440
that's described is the extraction of

1115
00:43:40,910 --> 00:43:38,880
gametes and these hybrids that are

1116
00:43:42,650 --> 00:43:40,920
formed hybridizing with individuals

1117
00:43:45,230 --> 00:43:42,660
across so many different time periods

1118
00:43:47,030 --> 00:43:45,240
they have the spectrum of individuals

1119
00:43:49,849 --> 00:43:47,040
that could be plunked down in whatever

1120
00:43:51,589 --> 00:43:49,859
time to do whatever it is you wanted so

1121
00:43:53,329 --> 00:43:51,599
you have boots on the ground now and

1122
00:43:56,030 --> 00:43:53,339
they look exactly like the people from

1123
00:43:58,010 --> 00:43:56,040
that time and they can move about us and

1124
00:44:01,490 --> 00:43:58,020
uh still use their telepathic

1125
00:44:02,930 --> 00:44:01,500
Clairvoyant abilities but you know to to

1126
00:44:04,790 --> 00:44:02,940
achieve an end that we don't yet

1127
00:44:06,849 --> 00:44:04,800
understand

1128
00:44:09,349 --> 00:44:06,859
um but they they could blend in

1129
00:44:11,150 --> 00:44:09,359
perfectly simply because they have the

1130
00:44:12,950 --> 00:44:11,160
the ability to do that and seemingly are

1131
00:44:15,530 --> 00:44:12,960
doing that based on all these

1132
00:44:16,809 --> 00:44:15,540
descriptions of hybrid individuals who

1133
00:44:19,250 --> 00:44:16,819
look very similar to one another

1134
00:44:21,530 --> 00:44:19,260
indicating that they were a part of the

1135
00:44:23,329 --> 00:44:21,540
same the same stock or the same group of

1136
00:44:25,849 --> 00:44:23,339
sperm and egg

1137
00:44:28,250 --> 00:44:25,859
um Travis Walton describes that number

1138
00:44:29,750 --> 00:44:28,260
of abductees described seen seen

1139
00:44:31,670 --> 00:44:29,760
something like that

1140
00:44:33,410 --> 00:44:31,680
is there a case in particular that

1141
00:44:34,930 --> 00:44:33,420
really

1142
00:44:37,550 --> 00:44:34,940
you know because we've talked about

1143
00:44:39,829 --> 00:44:37,560
Travis Walton and we talked about some

1144
00:44:41,870 --> 00:44:39,839
other cases but is there one in

1145
00:44:43,550 --> 00:44:41,880
particular that

1146
00:44:46,790 --> 00:44:43,560
um you think is

1147
00:44:49,970 --> 00:44:46,800
most credible or

1148
00:44:54,109 --> 00:44:49,980
um you know aligns with this time travel

1149
00:44:58,970 --> 00:44:55,790
um I mean

1150
00:44:59,750 --> 00:44:58,980
really that was a hard thing in picking

1151
00:45:02,030 --> 00:44:59,760
um

1152
00:45:04,190 --> 00:45:02,040
case studies for this last book is I

1153
00:45:06,410 --> 00:45:04,200
didn't want to just pick ones that

1154
00:45:08,870 --> 00:45:06,420
scream time travel you know you need to

1155
00:45:10,730 --> 00:45:08,880
have a broad representation of things

1156
00:45:13,670 --> 00:45:10,740
that are happening and also include

1157
00:45:16,730 --> 00:45:13,680
those that that go against the drain

1158
00:45:18,770 --> 00:45:16,740
that that maybe don't conform to that

1159
00:45:20,569 --> 00:45:18,780
idea and the Buddy and Barney Hill case

1160
00:45:23,750 --> 00:45:20,579
is certainly one of those been thrown

1161
00:45:25,569 --> 00:45:23,760
around as this example of of clear clear

1162
00:45:27,349 --> 00:45:25,579
space travel they're they're

1163
00:45:28,970 --> 00:45:27,359
Interstellar Travelers because they

1164
00:45:31,190 --> 00:45:28,980
showed her a star map so it's important

1165
00:45:33,349 --> 00:45:31,200
to to include those too

1166
00:45:36,589 --> 00:45:33,359
but I think um

1167
00:45:40,010 --> 00:45:36,599
yeah I mean the the Travis Walton the

1168
00:45:42,470 --> 00:45:40,020
Terry Lovelace cases Amy rylance I think

1169
00:45:46,190 --> 00:45:42,480
is one of the best examples from

1170
00:45:47,690 --> 00:45:46,200
Australia not just because she had a

1171
00:45:50,150 --> 00:45:47,700
good time she claims to have been

1172
00:45:51,710 --> 00:45:50,160
hanging out with a man a human man as

1173
00:45:54,230 --> 00:45:51,720
she caught him with all the same body

1174
00:45:56,150 --> 00:45:54,240
proportions and but but because of the

1175
00:45:58,670 --> 00:45:56,160
way it transpired she was on this ship

1176
00:46:01,030 --> 00:45:58,680
she claims between five and seven days

1177
00:46:03,650 --> 00:46:01,040
but she was returned

1178
00:46:06,650 --> 00:46:03,660
790 kilometers away from where she was

1179
00:46:09,950 --> 00:46:06,660
taken but only about 60 to 90 minutes

1180
00:46:11,930 --> 00:46:09,960
after her friend Petra saw her being

1181
00:46:14,809 --> 00:46:11,940
taken through this window and into a UFO

1182
00:46:17,990 --> 00:46:14,819
so it indicates that the craft can fly

1183
00:46:21,050 --> 00:46:18,000
very fast to get 800 kilometers away and

1184
00:46:22,849 --> 00:46:21,060
only 60 to 90 minutes but also if her

1185
00:46:25,010 --> 00:46:22,859
account is accurate and there were three

1186
00:46:27,589 --> 00:46:25,020
different jurisdictions involved in this

1187
00:46:29,270 --> 00:46:27,599
uh two different ones from when she was

1188
00:46:31,910 --> 00:46:29,280
taken where she was taken and then

1189
00:46:34,010 --> 00:46:31,920
another in I believe it was gundia or

1190
00:46:35,770 --> 00:46:34,020
McKay I forget which one was start an

1191
00:46:38,150 --> 00:46:35,780
end point but she went to the hospital

1192
00:46:40,010 --> 00:46:38,160
all of the police from these three

1193
00:46:41,630 --> 00:46:40,020
different jurisdictions had her sign an

1194
00:46:43,970 --> 00:46:41,640
oath that said she could be criminally

1195
00:46:45,710 --> 00:46:43,980
prosecuted if she was lying the doctors

1196
00:46:47,569 --> 00:46:45,720
found that her stomach was empty she was

1197
00:46:49,670 --> 00:46:47,579
dehydrated and she had about five days

1198
00:46:51,770 --> 00:46:49,680
worth of body hair growth and claims

1199
00:46:53,410 --> 00:46:51,780
that she hates being hairy so all of

1200
00:46:55,730 --> 00:46:53,420
those things if you take them together

1201
00:46:59,270 --> 00:46:55,740
indicates that she was with a human man

1202
00:47:01,670 --> 00:46:59,280
on a UFO a future human one could argue

1203
00:47:03,230 --> 00:47:01,680
and that craft has the capability of

1204
00:47:05,390 --> 00:47:03,240
time traveling if she was there with

1205
00:47:06,950 --> 00:47:05,400
them for five to seven days but brought

1206
00:47:09,050 --> 00:47:06,960
back an hour an hour and a half after

1207
00:47:11,770 --> 00:47:09,060
she was taken it indicates they brought

1208
00:47:13,790 --> 00:47:11,780
her back close to that time period

1209
00:47:15,230 --> 00:47:13,800
probably because her husband was

1210
00:47:17,569 --> 00:47:15,240
freaking out and her friend was freaking

1211
00:47:19,790 --> 00:47:17,579
out so it indicates that there's a care

1212
00:47:21,650 --> 00:47:19,800
not just for that individual she said

1213
00:47:24,710 --> 00:47:21,660
she you know wasn't scared at all and

1214
00:47:26,329 --> 00:47:24,720
even had fun and it shows it

1215
00:47:28,730 --> 00:47:26,339
demonstrates care for the people that

1216
00:47:31,430 --> 00:47:28,740
are freaking out about their their

1217
00:47:32,809 --> 00:47:31,440
friend and or wife being gone so yeah I

1218
00:47:34,730 --> 00:47:32,819
think that's a really interesting case

1219
00:47:36,829 --> 00:47:34,740
for an number of reasons and it's very

1220
00:47:38,750 --> 00:47:36,839
indicative of time travel

1221
00:47:39,410 --> 00:47:38,760
yeah and that sort of

1222
00:47:43,309 --> 00:47:39,420
um

1223
00:47:44,930 --> 00:47:43,319
you know care and compassion uh seems to

1224
00:47:47,870 --> 00:47:44,940
be

1225
00:47:49,970 --> 00:47:47,880
um for the most part

1226
00:47:53,270 --> 00:47:49,980
um pretty consistent except for when you

1227
00:47:55,550 --> 00:47:53,280
take into account stories of people

1228
00:47:59,809 --> 00:47:55,560
having things inserted in them you know

1229
00:48:02,030 --> 00:47:59,819
uh or noodles in their eyes or you know

1230
00:48:04,430 --> 00:48:02,040
fetus is being taken from their body and

1231
00:48:05,690 --> 00:48:04,440
some people though which

1232
00:48:08,089 --> 00:48:05,700
um

1233
00:48:10,309 --> 00:48:08,099
you know I wonder

1234
00:48:14,210 --> 00:48:10,319
why is it that some people are you know

1235
00:48:17,210 --> 00:48:14,220
that's terrifying frankly uh to be

1236
00:48:19,010 --> 00:48:17,220
you know observed in that way

1237
00:48:22,490 --> 00:48:19,020
um why do you think that there's

1238
00:48:25,910 --> 00:48:22,500
different types of people that maybe

1239
00:48:28,790 --> 00:48:25,920
some are less empathetic

1240
00:48:31,010 --> 00:48:28,800
um and some that are just you know down

1241
00:48:33,890 --> 00:48:31,020
to business uh

1242
00:48:38,089 --> 00:48:33,900
gonna you know stick this needle in your

1243
00:48:42,349 --> 00:48:38,099
eye put this up your butt uh you know

1244
00:48:44,390 --> 00:48:42,359
what I'm saying so are we looking at

1245
00:48:46,609 --> 00:48:44,400
um

1246
00:48:47,750 --> 00:48:46,619
are we looking at different types of

1247
00:48:51,109 --> 00:48:47,760
Travelers

1248
00:48:52,430 --> 00:48:51,119
I think in looking at that situation we

1249
00:48:55,370 --> 00:48:52,440
need to recognize that it's not just

1250
00:48:57,589 --> 00:48:55,380
different types of Travelers but also

1251
00:49:00,050 --> 00:48:57,599
different types of people having this

1252
00:49:02,150 --> 00:49:00,060
this these experiences clearly there's

1253
00:49:06,410 --> 00:49:02,160
ontological shock for pretty much

1254
00:49:08,870 --> 00:49:06,420
everyone early on and and People based

1255
00:49:11,510 --> 00:49:08,880
on the doctor Edgar Mitchell free study

1256
00:49:13,370 --> 00:49:11,520
people are innately freaked out about

1257
00:49:15,050 --> 00:49:13,380
this and scared but with repeated

1258
00:49:17,510 --> 00:49:15,060
contact and especially with the more

1259
00:49:20,569 --> 00:49:17,520
human looking forms not just gray like

1260
00:49:23,270 --> 00:49:20,579
but actual humans

1261
00:49:25,430 --> 00:49:23,280
um 85 percent report a positive or

1262
00:49:26,990 --> 00:49:25,440
benign experience so and then that

1263
00:49:28,730 --> 00:49:27,000
number goes up even more with repeated

1264
00:49:31,609 --> 00:49:28,740
context so I think it's about the people

1265
00:49:34,190 --> 00:49:31,619
being taken and also a correlation I

1266
00:49:37,069 --> 00:49:34,200
found again looking at patterns is that

1267
00:49:39,530 --> 00:49:37,079
in in my last book I found that people

1268
00:49:42,890 --> 00:49:39,540
who seem to be more disturbed by it or

1269
00:49:44,809 --> 00:49:42,900
who aren't able to grasp that reality as

1270
00:49:47,210 --> 00:49:44,819
well that's when you see more of those

1271
00:49:49,490 --> 00:49:47,220
screen memories and the UFO apathy and

1272
00:49:51,170 --> 00:49:49,500
the UFO Asia where they kind of shut

1273
00:49:53,450 --> 00:49:51,180
them down or don't allow them to have

1274
00:49:55,190 --> 00:49:53,460
access to those conscious memories but

1275
00:49:57,410 --> 00:49:55,200
people who have a great time like Amy

1276
00:49:58,910 --> 00:49:57,420
rylance for instance are allowed to

1277
00:50:01,430 --> 00:49:58,920
remember everything why wouldn't they be

1278
00:50:03,770 --> 00:50:01,440
if if you know everything that happened

1279
00:50:06,230 --> 00:50:03,780
to them was fine and wasn't disturbing

1280
00:50:08,690 --> 00:50:06,240
or freaked them out or made them scared

1281
00:50:10,490 --> 00:50:08,700
so I think we have to focus on the

1282
00:50:14,750 --> 00:50:10,500
individuals the research subjects

1283
00:50:18,230 --> 00:50:14,760
themselves but yeah I also it seems that

1284
00:50:20,270 --> 00:50:18,240
there's almost a disconnect too and and

1285
00:50:22,970 --> 00:50:20,280
we can see this with with modern humans

1286
00:50:25,970 --> 00:50:22,980
today it's become illegal to do

1287
00:50:28,250 --> 00:50:25,980
scientific research on great apes and 29

1288
00:50:29,809 --> 00:50:28,260
developed countries and that's a pretty

1289
00:50:32,150 --> 00:50:29,819
recent thing we've gotten to the point

1290
00:50:33,589 --> 00:50:32,160
where we see ourselves in them enough

1291
00:50:35,270 --> 00:50:33,599
that we say all right we're drawing a

1292
00:50:37,730 --> 00:50:35,280
line here we'll still you know do things

1293
00:50:39,650 --> 00:50:37,740
to macaques and other lower primates but

1294
00:50:42,290 --> 00:50:39,660
the higher primates are off limit we

1295
00:50:43,790 --> 00:50:42,300
drew a stark Line in the Sand there and

1296
00:50:45,349 --> 00:50:43,800
so we could kind of maybe extrapolate

1297
00:50:48,170 --> 00:50:45,359
that into the future where people that

1298
00:50:50,270 --> 00:50:48,180
are closer to us in time see more of

1299
00:50:52,190 --> 00:50:50,280
themselves in us and we have more shared

1300
00:50:54,829 --> 00:50:52,200
Humanity that's easily identifiable

1301
00:50:57,170 --> 00:50:54,839
whereas you get into these short Grays

1302
00:50:58,910 --> 00:50:57,180
and Tall Grays they're probably from a

1303
00:51:01,069 --> 00:50:58,920
more distant point in our future where

1304
00:51:03,470 --> 00:51:01,079
they see less of that in us and we just

1305
00:51:05,390 --> 00:51:03,480
seem like extremely primitive research

1306
00:51:09,770 --> 00:51:05,400
subjects in the same way that we look at

1307
00:51:12,109 --> 00:51:09,780
at baboons and macaques and and rats and

1308
00:51:14,030 --> 00:51:12,119
mice and lower animals in general that

1309
00:51:16,490 --> 00:51:14,040
we do all kinds of horrible things too

1310
00:51:19,490 --> 00:51:16,500
so yeah I think it's both there's a

1311
00:51:22,430 --> 00:51:19,500
spectrum there and uh the farther we get

1312
00:51:25,670 --> 00:51:22,440
in time away from these individuals it

1313
00:51:27,890 --> 00:51:25,680
seems natural that they even if they did

1314
00:51:30,470 --> 00:51:27,900
have a highly developed sense of empathy

1315
00:51:32,450 --> 00:51:30,480
that they still have a job to do and

1316
00:51:34,549 --> 00:51:32,460
maybe aren't as good even connecting

1317
00:51:37,549 --> 00:51:34,559
with us to try to minimize or mitigate

1318
00:51:41,030 --> 00:51:37,559
those effects it's it I'm I'm given a

1319
00:51:44,809 --> 00:51:41,040
talk in Cincinnati Ohio in August about

1320
00:51:47,329 --> 00:51:44,819
this exact thing about not just the the

1321
00:51:49,069 --> 00:51:47,339
kind of the whole uh it's the mufon

1322
00:51:51,349 --> 00:51:49,079
International Symposium but the whole

1323
00:51:53,030 --> 00:51:51,359
question is friend versus foe

1324
00:51:55,849 --> 00:51:53,040
and I don't think we can really talk

1325
00:51:57,710 --> 00:51:55,859
about that without Origins and intent so

1326
00:51:59,450 --> 00:51:57,720
so I kind of look at this question the

1327
00:52:01,730 --> 00:51:59,460
context of extraterrestrials extra

1328
00:52:04,370 --> 00:52:01,740
Tempest Trails Ultra terrestrials all

1329
00:52:06,710 --> 00:52:04,380
these different forums but then also

1330
00:52:09,290 --> 00:52:06,720
that that ethical question because

1331
00:52:10,670 --> 00:52:09,300
absolutely we have to talk about uh you

1332
00:52:12,109 --> 00:52:10,680
know touching people and their No-No

1333
00:52:13,849 --> 00:52:12,119
squares or sticking things up their

1334
00:52:15,950 --> 00:52:13,859
butts like yeah that's you know an

1335
00:52:18,049 --> 00:52:15,960
important aspect hear that Joe

1336
00:52:20,630 --> 00:52:18,059
sorry

1337
00:52:25,030 --> 00:52:20,640
so we need to focus on that too we can't

1338
00:52:27,290 --> 00:52:25,040
just you know dismiss the arguably

1339
00:52:29,390 --> 00:52:27,300
ostentatious human rights violations

1340
00:52:31,910 --> 00:52:29,400
that are happening but right also

1341
00:52:33,770 --> 00:52:31,920
recognize that the the ends maybe

1342
00:52:35,450 --> 00:52:33,780
justify the means and a lot of people

1343
00:52:38,510 --> 00:52:35,460
that that are subjected to these even

1344
00:52:41,329 --> 00:52:38,520
horrific uh things that forced

1345
00:52:43,970 --> 00:52:41,339
pregnancies extracting a fetuses the

1346
00:52:46,560 --> 00:52:43,980
case of Jerry which I highlight John

1347
00:52:46,790 --> 00:52:46,570
Mack is one of John Mack's patients

1348
00:52:47,750 --> 00:52:46,800
[Music]

1349
00:52:49,730 --> 00:52:47,760
um

1350
00:52:52,010 --> 00:52:49,740
you know she she came to grips with it

1351
00:52:54,290 --> 00:52:52,020
and even said that she feels honored to

1352
00:52:56,210 --> 00:52:54,300
be a part of this thing this thing that

1353
00:52:58,130 --> 00:52:56,220
you know is bigger than her bigger than

1354
00:53:00,109 --> 00:52:58,140
any of us there's some higher purpose to

1355
00:53:02,270 --> 00:53:00,119
it and she feels honored to be a part of

1356
00:53:05,030 --> 00:53:02,280
that even though she's been subjected to

1357
00:53:08,450 --> 00:53:05,040
arguably horrific acts since she was 13

1358
00:53:09,849 --> 00:53:08,460
years old I know that um Travis Walton

1359
00:53:13,609 --> 00:53:09,859
from what I understand

1360
00:53:16,309 --> 00:53:13,619
uh his encounter was terrifying but at

1361
00:53:17,870 --> 00:53:16,319
some point he had the Revelation uh

1362
00:53:20,870 --> 00:53:17,880
excuse me at some point he had the

1363
00:53:24,410 --> 00:53:20,880
realization that uh they might have been

1364
00:53:27,170 --> 00:53:24,420
fixing him uh due to a heart condition

1365
00:53:28,490 --> 00:53:27,180
so I wonder if maybe well they smashed

1366
00:53:30,290 --> 00:53:28,500
the hell out of his heart yeah they

1367
00:53:32,569 --> 00:53:30,300
Zapped him with an electromagnetic

1368
00:53:34,910 --> 00:53:32,579
discharge that that he

1369
00:53:37,069 --> 00:53:34,920
believes was accidental and that they

1370
00:53:38,930 --> 00:53:37,079
then sort of went into emergency mode to

1371
00:53:41,049 --> 00:53:38,940
save his life because they stopped his

1372
00:53:46,309 --> 00:53:41,059
heart

1373
00:53:47,329 --> 00:53:46,319
so why um why is your focus and well you

1374
00:53:48,589 --> 00:53:47,339
know that's probably not a fair question

1375
00:53:49,849 --> 00:53:48,599
because I didn't read your last book so

1376
00:53:53,089 --> 00:53:49,859
I'm not entirely certain if you cover

1377
00:53:56,329 --> 00:53:53,099
the Extraterrestrial hypothesis but why

1378
00:53:58,309 --> 00:53:56,339
um why lean into uh you know the time

1379
00:54:01,910 --> 00:53:58,319
travel hypothesis as opposed to the

1380
00:54:06,170 --> 00:54:04,790
well I mean it seems to make the most

1381
00:54:10,430 --> 00:54:06,180
sense

1382
00:54:13,430 --> 00:54:10,440
um just as far as my arc is concerned

1383
00:54:15,530 --> 00:54:13,440
from a very early age it was apparent

1384
00:54:18,170 --> 00:54:15,540
that they look like us and that was kind

1385
00:54:20,089 --> 00:54:18,180
of my starting point and you know

1386
00:54:22,970 --> 00:54:20,099
honestly with that in the back of my

1387
00:54:25,490 --> 00:54:22,980
mind going through undergrad graduate

1388
00:54:28,010 --> 00:54:25,500
school the specific focus on the

1389
00:54:30,650 --> 00:54:28,020
evolution of craniofacial anatomy and

1390
00:54:34,210 --> 00:54:30,660
the hominin lineage nothing seemed to

1391
00:54:37,490 --> 00:54:34,220
indicate that that wasn't the case or

1392
00:54:40,010 --> 00:54:37,500
nothing presented itself that indicated

1393
00:54:43,250 --> 00:54:40,020
that it shouldn't be looked at in the

1394
00:54:46,190 --> 00:54:43,260
context of long-term evolutionary Trends

1395
00:54:48,829 --> 00:54:46,200
um so so there's that side of it the the

1396
00:54:51,170 --> 00:54:48,839
technology the craft also seems to have

1397
00:54:52,970 --> 00:54:51,180
characteristics

1398
00:54:55,250 --> 00:54:52,980
um we have this expression that form

1399
00:54:57,650 --> 00:54:55,260
follows function and it seems to have a

1400
00:55:00,290 --> 00:54:57,660
form consistent with the function of

1401
00:55:02,630 --> 00:55:00,300
manipulating space time so you know it's

1402
00:55:05,210 --> 00:55:02,640
not just us but it's also these machines

1403
00:55:07,130 --> 00:55:05,220
but then beyond that if we kind of

1404
00:55:09,349 --> 00:55:07,140
separate that from the Extraterrestrial

1405
00:55:11,030 --> 00:55:09,359
question it's not technically a

1406
00:55:14,150 --> 00:55:11,040
hypothesis because it can't be tested

1407
00:55:18,410 --> 00:55:14,160
but this extraterrestrial model there's

1408
00:55:21,230 --> 00:55:18,420
a number of problems related to well as

1409
00:55:22,790 --> 00:55:21,240
Paul heineck points out why how would

1410
00:55:27,650 --> 00:55:22,800
they find us and why would they care

1411
00:55:30,349 --> 00:55:27,660
with 100 billion stars in potentially

1412
00:55:32,270 --> 00:55:30,359
planets in our galaxy alone how would

1413
00:55:34,790 --> 00:55:32,280
they find this one tiny rock that we're

1414
00:55:36,910 --> 00:55:34,800
on in a relatively non-descript solar

1415
00:55:40,490 --> 00:55:36,920
system nukes why would they care

1416
00:55:42,410 --> 00:55:40,500
what about them though because even if

1417
00:55:44,809 --> 00:55:42,420
we're sending out radiation at the speed

1418
00:55:46,849 --> 00:55:44,819
that that's traveling it's only reaching

1419
00:55:48,349 --> 00:55:46,859
a pretty proximate area around this

1420
00:55:52,309 --> 00:55:48,359
planet

1421
00:55:54,890 --> 00:55:52,319
well I guess that the idea being

1422
00:55:57,770 --> 00:55:54,900
um and again I'm not a rocket surgeon so

1423
00:56:00,309 --> 00:55:57,780
I can't like you know get into depth but

1424
00:56:04,069 --> 00:56:00,319
just on my basic understanding

1425
00:56:06,349 --> 00:56:04,079
that uh the new nuclear tests that we've

1426
00:56:09,290 --> 00:56:06,359
done might somehow be causing damage and

1427
00:56:13,370 --> 00:56:09,300
other dimensions or

1428
00:56:14,750 --> 00:56:13,380
uh places in time whatnot and so I just

1429
00:56:16,790 --> 00:56:14,760
that was the first thing that came to

1430
00:56:18,710 --> 00:56:16,800
mind is if there's any reason why to

1431
00:56:21,109 --> 00:56:18,720
visit us maybe it has to do with our

1432
00:56:23,630 --> 00:56:21,119
nuclear capabilities

1433
00:56:26,210 --> 00:56:23,640
right well if you're talking about A

1434
00:56:28,130 --> 00:56:26,220
disruption to some sort of alternate

1435
00:56:29,930 --> 00:56:28,140
universe or reality that's a different

1436
00:56:31,730 --> 00:56:29,940
question than the Extraterrestrial

1437
00:56:33,950 --> 00:56:31,740
question right because what we're

1438
00:56:36,290 --> 00:56:33,960
talking about there is other planets in

1439
00:56:38,569 --> 00:56:36,300
the same timeline in this same universe

1440
00:56:41,150 --> 00:56:38,579
and and yeah they might be able to pick

1441
00:56:43,910 --> 00:56:41,160
up on some discharge or you know we're

1442
00:56:46,910 --> 00:56:43,920
sending radio signals out into space in

1443
00:56:49,549 --> 00:56:46,920
the 1970s Carl Sagan oversaw that

1444
00:56:51,170 --> 00:56:49,559
project and so I mean we've definitely

1445
00:56:54,049 --> 00:56:51,180
definitely announcing our presence

1446
00:56:56,450 --> 00:56:54,059
whether we should or not but even those

1447
00:56:58,250 --> 00:56:56,460
signals traveling outward are going at

1448
00:57:01,910 --> 00:56:58,260
the speed of light so they can only go

1449
00:57:04,490 --> 00:57:01,920
what would that be like 50 60 light

1450
00:57:06,890 --> 00:57:04,500
late years well not 50 or 60 light years

1451
00:57:08,690 --> 00:57:06,900
but in that period of time 50 or 60

1452
00:57:10,809 --> 00:57:08,700
years the speed of light is moving out

1453
00:57:14,210 --> 00:57:10,819
so it would have to be within a certain

1454
00:57:16,490 --> 00:57:14,220
radius of Earth to be able to even

1455
00:57:17,750 --> 00:57:16,500
identify us and then again why would

1456
00:57:21,109 --> 00:57:17,760
they come here why would they not

1457
00:57:23,750 --> 00:57:21,119
introduce themselves why would they

1458
00:57:25,609 --> 00:57:23,760
um you know pick us up in secrecy do all

1459
00:57:28,490 --> 00:57:25,619
these studies put and took us back into

1460
00:57:29,930 --> 00:57:28,500
bed oh they look so much like us why

1461
00:57:32,390 --> 00:57:29,940
would they be able to have sex with us

1462
00:57:33,710 --> 00:57:32,400
how could they breathe our air how could

1463
00:57:36,589 --> 00:57:33,720
they communicate in our languages

1464
00:57:39,230 --> 00:57:36,599
there's just all these questions related

1465
00:57:40,790 --> 00:57:39,240
to this extraterrestrial idea they just

1466
00:57:42,710 --> 00:57:40,800
don't seem to make a lot of sense and

1467
00:57:44,930 --> 00:57:42,720
there's extra assumptions associated

1468
00:57:46,910 --> 00:57:44,940
with that that you have beans that

1469
00:57:48,349 --> 00:57:46,920
evolve on another planet with a

1470
00:57:50,829 --> 00:57:48,359
different atmosphere different distance

1471
00:57:53,750 --> 00:57:50,839
from their Sun different chemical

1472
00:57:55,910 --> 00:57:53,760
structure possibly their silicone based

1473
00:57:57,589 --> 00:57:55,920
maybe they don't have DNA in the same

1474
00:57:59,690 --> 00:57:57,599
way that we do there's all these other

1475
00:58:02,630 --> 00:57:59,700
factors that come into play

1476
00:58:05,270 --> 00:58:02,640
so without those assumptions we can sort

1477
00:58:07,790 --> 00:58:05,280
of Whittle it back shave with Occam's

1478
00:58:09,890 --> 00:58:07,800
razor if you will we know we're here we

1479
00:58:11,270 --> 00:58:09,900
know humans are on this planet and we

1480
00:58:13,430 --> 00:58:11,280
know we've had a long evolutionary

1481
00:58:15,170 --> 00:58:13,440
history on this planet and which are our

1482
00:58:18,410 --> 00:58:15,180
morphological form has changed our

1483
00:58:20,270 --> 00:58:18,420
technology has changed so if we just

1484
00:58:22,609 --> 00:58:20,280
Whittle it down to the simplest answer

1485
00:58:24,829 --> 00:58:22,619
most parsimonious explanation it would

1486
00:58:27,650 --> 00:58:24,839
be that it's an aspect of us through

1487
00:58:30,049 --> 00:58:27,660
time rather than being beings from a

1488
00:58:32,329 --> 00:58:30,059
different uh planet that had a very

1489
00:58:34,430 --> 00:58:32,339
different evolutionary trajectory than

1490
00:58:36,770 --> 00:58:34,440
what we saw here

1491
00:58:38,809 --> 00:58:36,780
well those are questions that uh I never

1492
00:58:42,950 --> 00:58:38,819
thought to ask myself

1493
00:58:46,370 --> 00:58:45,049
do you want to go into Joe do you want

1494
00:58:47,450 --> 00:58:46,380
to go into

1495
00:58:50,750 --> 00:58:47,460
um because I don't know how much more

1496
00:58:53,329 --> 00:58:50,760
time we have on the recording but um

1497
00:58:54,349 --> 00:58:53,339
I want to get into doing what he just

1498
00:58:56,030 --> 00:58:54,359
ask you do you want to ask I just want

1499
00:58:58,370 --> 00:58:56,040
to know his thoughts on Bob Lazar and

1500
00:59:01,549 --> 00:58:58,380
the technology he describes

1501
00:59:04,010 --> 00:59:01,559
well you just answered your own question

1502
00:59:06,410 --> 00:59:04,020
okay so you want me to ask

1503
00:59:08,390 --> 00:59:06,420
yes okay yeah all right he's saying you

1504
00:59:09,710 --> 00:59:08,400
you asked your own question by asking

1505
00:59:12,829 --> 00:59:09,720
him if

1506
00:59:14,809 --> 00:59:12,839
if he wants to ask a question well I'm

1507
00:59:17,030 --> 00:59:14,819
trying to give him an opportunity to be

1508
00:59:18,670 --> 00:59:17,040
a part of you know he Joe really is kind

1509
00:59:21,190 --> 00:59:18,680
of he chills

1510
00:59:23,390 --> 00:59:21,200
man

1511
00:59:24,530 --> 00:59:23,400
he's the one that all the ladies are

1512
00:59:26,870 --> 00:59:24,540
looking at

1513
00:59:29,329 --> 00:59:26,880
yeah and he can have all the ladies too

1514
00:59:30,950 --> 00:59:29,339
by the way

1515
00:59:33,770 --> 00:59:30,960
I'm all

1516
00:59:36,410 --> 00:59:33,780
um so

1517
00:59:39,230 --> 00:59:36,420
babazar uh

1518
00:59:42,470 --> 00:59:39,240
his accounting uh or hold on accounting

1519
00:59:43,970 --> 00:59:42,480
uh babazar talks about

1520
00:59:47,930 --> 00:59:43,980
um this sort of technology that he

1521
00:59:49,849 --> 00:59:47,940
worked on back engineering uh a craft

1522
00:59:52,849 --> 00:59:49,859
and I want to get your thoughts on that

1523
00:59:55,789 --> 00:59:52,859
story and if that craft potentially

1524
00:59:59,150 --> 00:59:55,799
might have been you know be described as

1525
01:00:05,089 --> 01:00:03,170
well I mean I have to plead ignorance uh

1526
01:00:07,670 --> 01:00:05,099
on some level because I I mean I'm

1527
01:00:09,589 --> 01:00:07,680
familiar with who Bob Lazar is and you

1528
01:00:11,990 --> 01:00:09,599
know you you can't be a part of this

1529
01:00:14,809 --> 01:00:12,000
community without coming across certain

1530
01:00:16,970 --> 01:00:14,819
things about him but to be honest I've

1531
01:00:21,049 --> 01:00:16,980
never really gone in depth about his

1532
01:00:24,230 --> 01:00:21,059
claims or or what specifically he saw I

1533
01:00:31,450 --> 01:00:24,240
I think I saw he worked at some S4 base

1534
01:00:37,910 --> 01:00:34,430
engineering a craft but as far as the

1535
01:00:40,190 --> 01:00:37,920
specifics of that I I honestly I don't

1536
01:00:41,870 --> 01:00:40,200
have much I can offer it I know a lot of

1537
01:00:44,390 --> 01:00:41,880
other people have looked into it way

1538
01:00:46,370 --> 01:00:44,400
more than I have but I mean I always

1539
01:00:48,710 --> 01:00:46,380
talked about that even if it's not Bob

1540
01:00:50,630 --> 01:00:48,720
lazars there are people out there who

1541
01:00:52,490 --> 01:00:50,640
have interacted with these things and

1542
01:00:54,230 --> 01:00:52,500
have worked on these programs I have met

1543
01:00:55,670 --> 01:00:54,240
people

1544
01:00:59,270 --> 01:00:55,680
um that have

1545
01:01:02,329 --> 01:00:59,280
you know very valid credentials uh who

1546
01:01:05,089 --> 01:01:02,339
have been involved in these programs for

1547
01:01:07,250 --> 01:01:05,099
for a very long time and and I believe

1548
01:01:10,990 --> 01:01:07,260
them so I believe they exist I just

1549
01:01:13,549 --> 01:01:11,000
can't speak to Bob Lazar specifically

1550
01:01:16,309 --> 01:01:13,559
Bob Lazar one of the things that he

1551
01:01:18,530 --> 01:01:16,319
talks about is how this craft had

1552
01:01:22,010 --> 01:01:18,540
certain gravity amplifiers that would be

1553
01:01:24,230 --> 01:01:22,020
able to pinpoint a time in space

1554
01:01:26,150 --> 01:01:24,240
and sort of

1555
01:01:28,130 --> 01:01:26,160
um you know create

1556
01:01:31,910 --> 01:01:28,140
or shorten the distance between space

1557
01:01:33,410 --> 01:01:31,920
and time using gravity amplifiers but

1558
01:01:34,910 --> 01:01:33,420
um since we can't really expand on that

1559
01:01:36,289 --> 01:01:34,920
I think I'll use this time to sort of

1560
01:01:37,670 --> 01:01:36,299
wrap up our interview there's I could

1561
01:01:40,970 --> 01:01:37,680
talk to you all day man I have so many

1562
01:01:43,549 --> 01:01:40,980
more questions for you but um about this

1563
01:01:45,349 --> 01:01:43,559
stuff too it's uh yeah oh you're so well

1564
01:01:47,990 --> 01:01:45,359
spoken it's almost like you've talked

1565
01:01:50,210 --> 01:01:48,000
about it before

1566
01:01:53,210 --> 01:01:50,220
um yeah I mean it's not even it's it's

1567
01:01:56,630 --> 01:01:53,220
literally my job is to explain things to

1568
01:01:59,930 --> 01:01:56,640
people that's my my profession as a

1569
01:02:02,150 --> 01:01:59,940
professor is to describe things in ways

1570
01:02:04,549 --> 01:02:02,160
that you know 101 students can

1571
01:02:06,710 --> 01:02:04,559
understand and 500 level students can

1572
01:02:08,630 --> 01:02:06,720
understand so

1573
01:02:12,890 --> 01:02:08,640
um that's that's just what we do not

1574
01:02:15,410 --> 01:02:14,210
um Joe you want to thank him for being

1575
01:02:18,370 --> 01:02:15,420
on the show

1576
01:02:21,349 --> 01:02:18,380
yes my thank you Mr uh Michael Masters

1577
01:02:23,270 --> 01:02:21,359
Professor I appreciate it Joe it's been

1578
01:02:27,650 --> 01:02:23,280
a pleasure looking at you throughout

1579
01:02:31,069 --> 01:02:29,390
yeah it wasn't a pleasure for me I don't

1580
01:02:34,730 --> 01:02:31,079
really care

1581
01:02:36,349 --> 01:02:34,740
um well I enjoyed it for both of us

1582
01:02:53,770 --> 01:02:36,359
thank you everybody for listening I'm

1583
01:02:57,890 --> 01:02:56,690
maybe we all share some alien DNA in

1584
01:03:01,670 --> 01:02:57,900
there somewhere

1585
01:03:03,650 --> 01:03:01,680
probably oh we're aliens I love it and

1586
01:03:05,210 --> 01:03:03,660
for the people y'all could have your

1587
01:03:07,130 --> 01:03:05,220
ending I just wanted to jump in there

1588
01:03:08,750 --> 01:03:07,140
because it looked fun actually I like

1589
01:03:11,450 --> 01:03:08,760
this ending I like this ending just as

1590
01:03:12,710 --> 01:03:11,460
it is I think it's fantastic but we're

1591
01:03:14,450 --> 01:03:12,720
gonna do it one more time actually I

1592
01:03:16,010 --> 01:03:14,460
want you to say I'll say I'm in it you

1593
01:03:17,569 --> 01:03:16,020
know Joe and then I'm Michael and we're

1594
01:03:19,670 --> 01:03:17,579
the UFO Bros I think that'll be great

1595
01:03:21,170 --> 01:03:19,680
all right let's do it all right all

1596
01:03:24,530 --> 01:03:21,180
right thank you everybody for listening

1597
01:03:27,170 --> 01:03:24,540
to Dr Michael Masters I'm Emmett

1598
01:03:31,789 --> 01:03:27,180
I'm Joe and I'm Mike

1599
01:03:33,100 --> 01:03:31,799
and we're the UFO Bros UFO Bros UFO Bros